Baba 30 for Sale, Review of Bob Perry's Pocket Passagemaker
A 30 foot double-ended cutter with a 4 ft bowsprit, a teak interior and the heavy-weather manners of a much bigger boat, built in Taiwan for Flying Dutchman.
- Length
- 29.8 ft9.07 m
- Beam
- 10.3 ft3.12 m
- Draft
- 4.8 ft1.45 m
- Cabins
- 1 (V-berth or double-berth forward cabin) plus saloon
- Used price
- $30K to $75K
On this page
- Overview
- Why a Baba 30 for sale still draws serious offshore buyers
- Built by Ta Shing when Taiwan was at its best
- Perry's case for a quick traditional hull
- Sluggish in 5 knots, steady in 50
- Bowsprit, cutter rig and a deliberately small cockpit
- A teak interior that works at sea
- Known issues on a 40-plus-year-old Baba
- Ownership costs and resale
- Specifications
- Price and value
- Strengths and weaknesses
- Used buyer checklist
- Rivals
- Our verdict
- FAQ
The Baba 30 is a Robert Perry designed full-keel cutter built in Taiwan, mainly by Ta Shing, for Seattle importer Flying Dutchman International from the late 1970s to the mid 1980s. Used boats ask roughly $30,000 to $75,000.
- Couples planning ocean passages on a budget
- Pacific Northwest and high-latitude cruising
- Traditional yacht lovers
- Liveaboards who need storage
Baba 30 by the numbers
- Sail area to displacement
- 15.0A cruising rig sized for comfort, so expect to motor in very light air.
- Displacement to length
- 379Heavy displacement. Slow to accelerate but steady and sea kindly with a full load.
- Theoretical hull speed
- 6.6 knThe practical top speed of a displacement monohull under normal sailing, based on waterline length.
- Ballast ratio
- 40%A high ballast ratio, so the boat stands up well to a breeze.
- Capsize screening
- 1.77Below 2.0, the traditional threshold for offshore suitability.
- Motion comfort ratio
- 33.4Moderate motion comfort, typical of modern cruisers.
- Length to beam ratio
- 2.90 : 1A beamy hull with lots of volume for its length.
Why a Baba 30 for sale still draws serious offshore buyers
Few 30 footers from the 1970s are still bought specifically to cross oceans. The Baba 30 is one of them. Practical Sailor's review opens by saying its traditional styling, large interior and heavy weather performance make it a favorite of cruising couples, and that its principal liability is poor light-air performance. That is the honest summary, and it is why a Baba 30 for sale rarely lingers if it has been looked after.
The boat was conceived by Bob Berg, a Seattle yacht broker who formed Flying Dutchman International with two partners to import traditionally styled cruising boats from Taiwan. Berg hired Bob Perry, who had already drawn the Tayana 37, and asked for a smaller version. His stated goal was a boat faster and less expensive than the Westsail 32 and the Valiant 32.
Built by Ta Shing when Taiwan was at its best
Berg told Practical Sailor he built in Taiwan for three reasons: Ta Shing was among the best builders in the world, labor was inexpensive and the exchange rate was favorable. Sailboatdata notes that the first 30 or so boats were built by Shing Sheng before Ta Shing took over. Ta Shing also built Mason, Panda, Tashiba and Taswell yachts, a list that tells you the level of joinery to expect.
Hulls are uncored, hand-laid fiberglass with alternating layers of 1.5 ounce mat and 24 ounce woven roving, six layers in most places and 10 to 12 in the keel area. Surveyors who inspected boats for Practical Sailor called the construction on a par with any quality production boat, praised the tagged and bundled wiring and the plumbing, and found the boats had held up well. Cabinetry and joinery are of a standard usually associated with high-end custom yachts.
Perry's case for a quick traditional hull
Perry told Practical Sailor he disliked the idea that a traditional design must be slow, and set out to wring every tenth of a knot from a heavy double-ender. He gave the hull a prismatic coefficient of about 0.50 for light-air performance, considerable flare in the topsides for stability and a dry ride upwind, and a flatter bottom than a typical Colin Archer type to reduce hobby-horsing. The full keel has a cutaway forefoot, so the boat tracks well, although one owner described backing under power as an adventure.
He also defended the weight. At the time, he said, the average 30 footer displaced about 7,000 lb, and a light boat is short on stowage. The Baba 30's displacement to length ratio of about 379 buys an interior and storage that compare with later 32 to 34 footers. The trade-off is a sail area to displacement ratio near 15, which Perry argued was acceptable because a 150 percent genoa is manageable at this size.
Sluggish in 5 knots, steady in 50
Practical Sailor's test and owner reports agree. In very light wind the boat underperforms, and a large genoa or drifter makes a significant difference downwind in under 10 knots. Above 15 knots it can be sailed at hull speed under jib and staysail, and one owner said it points to within about 35 degrees of the apparent wind with good trim.
The most telling story came from a couple who sailed a Baba 30 from Hawaii to Seattle, a 27 day upwind passage. In under 10 knots they made 1 to 2 knots; above 10 knots, about 5 knots on a close reach under vane steering. Three days from port they met a 30 hour storm with wind building from 20 to 50 knots, steered by hand after the vane failed, and then simply lashed the helm and sat behind the dodger under a double-reefed main and staysail. The skipper's summary was that the more it blew, the stouter the boat became.
Bowsprit, cutter rig and a deliberately small cockpit
The 4 ft bowsprit, wrapped in a stainless pulpit, carries two bow rollers and a large bronze winch. Most boats came with a self-tending staysail; some owners have since fitted furlers to both headstays, which simplifies double-handed passages. Halyards lead to cabin-top winches and jib sheets to two-speed cockpit winches, and side decks are about 18 inches wide.
Early boats had only one set of shrouds; after a dismasting, fore and aft lowers were added to the single-spreader rig, and later boats gained a boom gallows. If you are looking at an early hull, confirm the lowers have been added.
The cockpit is small, with seats about 60 inches long, enough for four adults. That is a safety feature offshore, since a boarding wave drains quickly through the two 2 inch scuppers, but it is not a party cockpit.
A teak interior that works at sea
Berg designed the interior himself for long-distance cruising, and offered two versions: a V-berth layout popular on the West Coast and a double-berth layout popular in the East. The galley is a U to port at the foot of the companionway with a gimbaled two-burner stove, the nav station is opposite with a quarter berth aft of it, the head is forward of the saloon to starboard, and the forward cabin fills the bow. Headroom is about 6 ft 4 in.
Almost every surface except the galley counters is teak, with a teak and holly sole and, on later boats, teak battens lining the hull. Practical Sailor judged the spaces well organized for couples planning extended passages, especially compared with newer production boats.
- Nav table 28 by 17 inches with a cabinet for radios
- Quarter berth about 68 inches plus the nav seat
- V-berth about 77 by 60 inches
- Water and fuel tanks under the settees
Known issues on a 40-plus-year-old Baba
Surveyors flagged minor blistering on some hulls, usually small clusters within about a foot of the waterline. Some chainplate bolts corroded, though they are visible from below and easy to monitor. One surveyor's main criticism was the steel fuel tank, which on a boat this age should be inspected or already replaced. Owners also reported tank capacities smaller than advertised, so measure rather than trust the brochure.
Changing the oil filter is an acrobatic exercise, the anchor locker can bring water and mud aboard, and many boats have teak decks that are now at or past the end of their life. A teak deck replacement or removal is a five-figure job and should shape your offer.
Ownership costs and resale
A 30 ft slip keeps running costs reasonable. Budget roughly $5,000 to $12,000 a year in most US regions for slip or mooring, insurance, haul-out, engine service and a reserve for rigging and sails. Because Flying Dutchman had dealers on both coasts, the Gulf, the Great Lakes and Canada, boats are spread widely around North America.
Practical Sailor called the Baba 30 one of the strongest resale performers it had seen. Buy a well-kept example with a newer diesel, aluminum spars and sound decks and you are unlikely to lose much money on it.
Baba 30 specifications
| Length overall | 29.8 ft9.07 m |
|---|---|
| Waterline length | 24.5 ft7.47 m |
| Beam | 10.3 ft3.12 m |
| Draft | 4.8 ft1.45 m |
| Displacement | 12,5 lbs5,67 kg |
| Ballast | 5, lbs2,268 kg |
| Sail area | 504 sq ft46.8 m² |
| Fuel capacity | 35 gal132 L |
| Fresh water | 8 gal303 L |
| Cabins | 1 (V-berth or double-berth forward cabin) plus saloon |
| Berths | 4 full-length berths including V-berth and quarter berth |
| Heads | 1 enclosed |
| Standard engines | Volvo MD11C (23 hp) diesel on early boats, Yanmar on later boats |
| Hull type | Heavy displacement double-ender with flared topsides and flattened bottom |
| Keel | Full keel with cutaway forefoot and attached rudder |
| Rig | Tall single-spreader cutter on a 4 ft bowsprit, self-tending staysail; spruce spars on early boats, aluminum later |
| Hull construction | Solid hand-laid fiberglass (mat and woven roving), teak decks on many boats |
| Builder | Ta Shing Yacht Building (early hulls by Shing Sheng) for Flying Dutchman International, Taiwan |
| Naval architect | Robert H. Perry |
| Other design credits | Interior by Bob Berg of Flying Dutchman International |
| Production | 1977 to 1985 |
| Status | Discontinued |
Figures come from builder documentation and independent tests where available. Displacement is usually quoted light, so a loaded cruising boat will weigh more. Compare these specs with another model.
How much does a Baba 30 cost?
The Baba 30 has a long record of holding value; Practical Sailor noted used boats commanding nearly the same prices as ten years earlier. New, it rose from $38,500 in 1977 to about $78,000 for the last boats as the dollar and Taiwan dollar moved. Today the spread depends on teak deck condition, engine (later Yanmars are preferred), whether the spars are aluminum or original spruce, and how much passage gear the boat already carries. Ranges here are our estimates for the US market.
Estimate your yearly cost
A planning estimate using common rules of thumb: insurance near 1.5 percent of value, maintenance near 3 percent, haul out and bottom paint by length. Your marina, region and use will move these numbers. Open the full cost calculator.
Versions and options
- V-berth layout
- Traditional V-berth forward, popular on the West Coast.
- Double-berth layout
- Forward double favored by East Coast buyers.
- Baba 35 and Baba 40
- Stretched siblings; the 40 was later reworked as the Panda 40 and Tashiba 40.
Baba 30 timeline
- 1977Baba 30 introduced at $38,500
- 1978Practical Sailor dates the start of series production to 1978, at the height of the sailboat boom
- 1985Production ends as buyers shift to lighter, faster designs; last boats priced at $78,000
- 2015Practical Sailor revisits the boat and notes strong resale values
Strengths and weaknesses
What owners like
- Heavy-weather ability far beyond its length
- Excellent Ta Shing build and joinery
- Spacious, storage-rich interior for a 30 footer
- Versatile cutter rig with self-tending staysail
- Strong resale value
What to weigh up
- Slow in light air
- Small cockpit
- Steel fuel tank and teak decks age badly
- Awkward engine access for routine service
- Backs poorly under power, typical of a full keel
Used Baba 30 buyer checklist
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Rivals to consider
Westsail 32
The double-ender the Baba was designed to beat; heavier, slower and more common.
Compare side by sidePacific Seacraft 31
A later, more modern Crealock design with a fin keel and skeg-hung rudder, usually pricier.
Compare side by sideContessa 32
A narrower, faster British offshore boat with far less interior space.
Compare side by sideCape Dory 28
A smaller, lighter Alberg long-keeler that costs less to buy and run.
Compare side by sideOur verdict on the Baba 30
The Baba 30 is a 30 ft boat that thinks it is 35. Bob Perry gave it a hull that is far better than its traditional looks suggest, Ta Shing built it beautifully, and owners have proved it in genuine ocean storms. You will motor or wait in light air, and you must check the fuel tank, chainplate bolts and teak decks carefully, but a good one remains one of the most capable small passagemakers you can buy and a boat that rarely loses value.
Baba 30 questions answered
How much does a Baba 30 cost?
We estimate most US boats ask between about $30,000 and $75,000. It sold new for $38,500 in 1977 and about $78,000 for the last boats.
Who designed the Baba 30?
Robert Perry drew the hull and rig; importer Bob Berg designed the interior.
Who built the Baba 30?
Ta Shing in Taiwan built most boats; sailboatdata notes the first 30 or so came from Shing Sheng.
How many Baba 30s were built?
Practical Sailor says more than 230; sailboatdata lists 170. Treat the figure as roughly 170 to 230.
Is the Baba 30 a good bluewater boat?
Yes. Several have made ocean passages, including a 27 day Hawaii to Seattle run through a 50 knot storm. Its weakness is light-air speed.
What is the difference between the Baba 30, 35 and 40?
The 35 and 40 were stretched versions built later; more than 50 Baba 35s and more than 150 Baba 40s were produced.